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		<title>By: Ally</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2004/12/28/adderall-abuse-with-students/comment-page-4/#comment-896319</link>
		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro-tip: if you&#039;re taking adderall without a prescription, you&#039;re taking it recreationally. Even if you only use it to study, if you don&#039;t have a diagnosed need for it (diagnosed by a DOCTOR not your roommate), you&#039;re doing drugs. Don&#039;t fool yourself. Hate to break it to you, but the fact that all your buddies are doing it doesn&#039;t make it any healthier. If you feel you really need adderall for ADHD or ADD, go to a doctor and ask. If you just want to take it to get a buzz, or cram for an exam, go for it, but don&#039;t try to cloak it as some kind of safe-option miracle pill. 

Also, the mechanism of dependency and addiction varies from person to person. Some people can smoke a cigarette at a party once every couple months and nothing more. Some people can&#039;t. Be smart. Don&#039;t be too sure that &#039;self-control&#039; is going to keep you from becoming addicted to amphetamines. Some people can get away with taking a pill or snorting a line every so often with minimal effect. Lucky them. I&#039;m certainly not one of them. I&#039;d rather have the 4 years of my life back that I spent putting stuff up my nose in order to feel smarter, thinner, and better about everything.

I&#039;m not saying you shouldn&#039;t take adderall if you have a diagnosed condition and your doctor feels that it will help you (and if it does help you). I&#039;m not even trying to tell you how to get your kicks. Just be aware of what you&#039;re doing. And be aware that if you find yourself taking meds without a prescription, the underlying reason you&#039;re doing so may be different than you think. Many people try to self-medicate legitimate psychological problems with drugs and alcohol without realizing it.

I don&#039;t mean to come off as too preachy (even though I am), I just wouldn&#039;t want anyone else going through what I went through with addiction if it can be avoided. Entirely apart from the psychological effects, I spent time in jail. For prescription drugs--not coke, not crystal meth, not heroin. My case isn&#039;t exactly typical, but I&#039;m proof. You can be a relatively smart, well-meaning, normal person, and still succumb.

Final note: abusing stimulants stops seeming cool after college. Just like drinking until you black out and having sex with every person you come across just because you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro-tip: if you&#8217;re taking adderall without a prescription, you&#8217;re taking it recreationally. Even if you only use it to study, if you don&#8217;t have a diagnosed need for it (diagnosed by a DOCTOR not your roommate), you&#8217;re doing drugs. Don&#8217;t fool yourself. Hate to break it to you, but the fact that all your buddies are doing it doesn&#8217;t make it any healthier. If you feel you really need adderall for ADHD or ADD, go to a doctor and ask. If you just want to take it to get a buzz, or cram for an exam, go for it, but don&#8217;t try to cloak it as some kind of safe-option miracle pill. </p>
<p>Also, the mechanism of dependency and addiction varies from person to person. Some people can smoke a cigarette at a party once every couple months and nothing more. Some people can&#8217;t. Be smart. Don&#8217;t be too sure that &#8217;self-control&#8217; is going to keep you from becoming addicted to amphetamines. Some people can get away with taking a pill or snorting a line every so often with minimal effect. Lucky them. I&#8217;m certainly not one of them. I&#8217;d rather have the 4 years of my life back that I spent putting stuff up my nose in order to feel smarter, thinner, and better about everything.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying you shouldn&#8217;t take adderall if you have a diagnosed condition and your doctor feels that it will help you (and if it does help you). I&#8217;m not even trying to tell you how to get your kicks. Just be aware of what you&#8217;re doing. And be aware that if you find yourself taking meds without a prescription, the underlying reason you&#8217;re doing so may be different than you think. Many people try to self-medicate legitimate psychological problems with drugs and alcohol without realizing it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to come off as too preachy (even though I am), I just wouldn&#8217;t want anyone else going through what I went through with addiction if it can be avoided. Entirely apart from the psychological effects, I spent time in jail. For prescription drugs&#8211;not coke, not crystal meth, not heroin. My case isn&#8217;t exactly typical, but I&#8217;m proof. You can be a relatively smart, well-meaning, normal person, and still succumb.</p>
<p>Final note: abusing stimulants stops seeming cool after college. Just like drinking until you black out and having sex with every person you come across just because you can.</p>
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		<title>By: business nunya</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2004/12/28/adderall-abuse-with-students/comment-page-4/#comment-893804</link>
		<dc:creator>business nunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh for crying out loud people!!  you know, for people who truly have add/adhd, those who maybe have some motivation issues due to depression and even the occasionally using college student in the midst of finals, it&#039;s one thing.  to use it to be able to drink more or to get fucked up is entirely something else.  this is the shit that some news show will love to get it&#039;s hands on and act like it&#039;s the end of the fucking world that some kid uses it to cram at the end of the semester.  they will find some set of parents who for whatever reason(s) didn&#039;t address the signs that their troubled child was showing (probably for YEARS) and blame it all on adderall.  people have used chemicals for years to both legitimately medicate and to temporarily enhance many things, be it caffeine at starbucks, viagra for your dick or a joint to calm the nerves at the end of the day.  while there are the rare backfirings for some (and the risk is always present), addicts and abusers ruin shit for everybody.

guess what?  i managed to work 2 jobs, raise a child, run a household and get a degree in chemistry, all while smoking pot daily, which i essentially outgrew.  i did it as a reward, much like a person has a glass of wine at the end of a day of hard work, and it was not a gateway drug as i did not drink, snort or inject anything else.  i did not peddle it to children (mine has no idea), support terrorism or burn my brain cells into oblivion.  now i take adderall because 2 years ago, i went through a depression that while lifted, left the lethargy and lack of motivation to get everyday things done.  i plan on taking it to get me back to where i need to be and then be done.  i don&#039;t plan to continue taking it to get myself or someone else killed, so i can ruin for everyone.  chances are, if you feel like you shouldn&#039;t be taking it or it is beginning to overshadow it&#039;s supposed benefits, then stop.  get help and address the root of your problems.  either find another medicine that may work for you or get some kind of therapy and quit expecting a fucking pill to be the answer to hard work and sifting through the rough shit in life.  if you are taking it to get some sort of buzz or enhance your beer pong skills, you are a fucking douchebag who will probably be dead in 10 years anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh for crying out loud people!!  you know, for people who truly have add/adhd, those who maybe have some motivation issues due to depression and even the occasionally using college student in the midst of finals, it&#8217;s one thing.  to use it to be able to drink more or to get fucked up is entirely something else.  this is the shit that some news show will love to get it&#8217;s hands on and act like it&#8217;s the end of the fucking world that some kid uses it to cram at the end of the semester.  they will find some set of parents who for whatever reason(s) didn&#8217;t address the signs that their troubled child was showing (probably for YEARS) and blame it all on adderall.  people have used chemicals for years to both legitimately medicate and to temporarily enhance many things, be it caffeine at starbucks, viagra for your dick or a joint to calm the nerves at the end of the day.  while there are the rare backfirings for some (and the risk is always present), addicts and abusers ruin shit for everybody.</p>
<p>guess what?  i managed to work 2 jobs, raise a child, run a household and get a degree in chemistry, all while smoking pot daily, which i essentially outgrew.  i did it as a reward, much like a person has a glass of wine at the end of a day of hard work, and it was not a gateway drug as i did not drink, snort or inject anything else.  i did not peddle it to children (mine has no idea), support terrorism or burn my brain cells into oblivion.  now i take adderall because 2 years ago, i went through a depression that while lifted, left the lethargy and lack of motivation to get everyday things done.  i plan on taking it to get me back to where i need to be and then be done.  i don&#8217;t plan to continue taking it to get myself or someone else killed, so i can ruin for everyone.  chances are, if you feel like you shouldn&#8217;t be taking it or it is beginning to overshadow it&#8217;s supposed benefits, then stop.  get help and address the root of your problems.  either find another medicine that may work for you or get some kind of therapy and quit expecting a fucking pill to be the answer to hard work and sifting through the rough shit in life.  if you are taking it to get some sort of buzz or enhance your beer pong skills, you are a fucking douchebag who will probably be dead in 10 years anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2004/12/28/adderall-abuse-with-students/comment-page-4/#comment-866863</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was in school we used to take &quot;Dr Foy Specials&quot;  That would &#039;allow us to focus&#039; on our studies. Riiiight.  These are addictive anti-depressant drugs that the manufacturers have found a new market for.  The fact that a whole new generation of students are getting addicted to these &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.narcononcenter.com/&quot; title=&quot;drugs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drugs&lt;/a&gt; is criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was in school we used to take &#8220;Dr Foy Specials&#8221;  That would &#8216;allow us to focus&#8217; on our studies. Riiiight.  These are addictive anti-depressant drugs that the manufacturers have found a new market for.  The fact that a whole new generation of students are getting addicted to these <a href="http://www.narcononcenter.com/" title="drugs" rel="nofollow">drugs</a> is criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: guywithascrip</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2004/12/28/adderall-abuse-with-students/comment-page-4/#comment-849299</link>
		<dc:creator>guywithascrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many posts here are informative, but the long ones are clearly written by folks who are wired-to-the-gills at the time of writing.
42-yo male. Diagnosed w/ADHD (although, as some here have indicated, it is not a chemical test, but an interview, which can be fudged.)Adderall for 5 years. 30mg XR. Taking 45mg daily. 1 cap, + 1/2 loose from another cap. Sometimes chew, sometimes not.
It has helped me a lot, but I have also had those days where 90mg seems to be the only thing to get me through the day. 
Acidic agents/compounds (juices, vitamins, sodas) make it harder for the body to absorb. Alkaline agents (antacids, sodium bicarb) make it easier to absorb. So if you are drinking a bunch of juice and taking vitamin C, then yes, you&#039;ll need more Add. to feel the effects. So pay attention to EVERYTHING you put in your body and note how it affects your overall day - I love a big Mexican food fiesta, but feel AWFUL (bloated, fat, tired) afterward. So pay attention &amp; be careful. If you are just using it for fun, STOP. Adderall may not be THE thing that fucks up your life, but using it as you do is a BIG warning sign that you will lie to yourself about why you&#039;re doing foolish things. You will smack into a wall someday - rock bottom as they call it, but there are ways out and people who will help you. Just ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many posts here are informative, but the long ones are clearly written by folks who are wired-to-the-gills at the time of writing.<br />
42-yo male. Diagnosed w/ADHD (although, as some here have indicated, it is not a chemical test, but an interview, which can be fudged.)Adderall for 5 years. 30mg XR. Taking 45mg daily. 1 cap, + 1/2 loose from another cap. Sometimes chew, sometimes not.<br />
It has helped me a lot, but I have also had those days where 90mg seems to be the only thing to get me through the day.<br />
Acidic agents/compounds (juices, vitamins, sodas) make it harder for the body to absorb. Alkaline agents (antacids, sodium bicarb) make it easier to absorb. So if you are drinking a bunch of juice and taking vitamin C, then yes, you&#8217;ll need more Add. to feel the effects. So pay attention to EVERYTHING you put in your body and note how it affects your overall day &#8211; I love a big Mexican food fiesta, but feel AWFUL (bloated, fat, tired) afterward. So pay attention &amp; be careful. If you are just using it for fun, STOP. Adderall may not be THE thing that fucks up your life, but using it as you do is a BIG warning sign that you will lie to yourself about why you&#8217;re doing foolish things. You will smack into a wall someday &#8211; rock bottom as they call it, but there are ways out and people who will help you. Just ask.</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have ADHD (combined type) and nothing makes me more angry then seeing people use adderall, and other stimulant adhd meds for recreational purposes. I first started looking into ADHD when I nearly flunked out of high school, but was told at the time that I was too old to get tested, and that you have to have corroboration of being hyper from elementary school teachers. I was a well behaved kid, and all my report cards noted my maturity and helpfulness. Sure I was a daydreamer to the point where it was difficult to follow conversations, and fidgeted (tapping my foot, clicking pens, tapping my fingers, hypergraphic doodling and notetaking, assemblign and disassembling pens and other desk nicknacks) but those were not taken into consideration. Basically I was told by Doctors that I was just drug seeking and needed to stop being such a lazy a-hole. Caffeine addiction and sleep deprivation scheduling are the only things that kept me passing in high school, particularly when moments of hyperfocus would strike. In college I was able to skate through for a while, but things began to fall apart. After getting into a really cool program of classes all related to my major, and failing the second section dispite spending all my time thinking about the class and things related to it (but unable to start the work, even if I spent the entire day sitting in front of it) I decided to get tested. 

Because I was uninsured and am a poor student (whose parents are not in a position to help financially), finding a therapist to test me and a doctor who would work with me was virtually impossible. It took two months following my diagnosis to gain access to a doctor. The reason: I would call saying that I was being treated for ADHD by a psychologist, and that I had a letter from her suggesting I work with a doctor about this, and possibly another physical problem (thyroid, which also impacts focus, and was suspected due to my very cold hands and lack of sense of smell). I was usually turned away because they said that they didn&#039;t want to work with someone my age about ADHD unless they had a note from an insurance co. testifying that they werent a drug dealer. 

During that two month gap I did buy adderall on the black market, which at my school is pretty large. I bought it for a friend who had been taking it for studying on and off for years. This friend lives off of energy drinks, and adderall doesn&#039;t make him hyper-focus or crazy, but just helps him study, keeps him calm, and prevents distraction. He&#039;s watched the way I&#039;m reacting now that I have medically supervised treatment (on lower cost, and IMO, more effective dexedrine SR) and is now seeking assessment himself. Research done by therapists who work with ADHD patients suggests that self-medicating with caffeine and illegal amphetamine use is common among those who are not diagnosed, and that the majority of people with ADHD have never been assessed or diagnosed, in part because they were not seen as disruptive or hyper as children. The zombie effect and other complaints that people, particularly kids, have about meds is possibly a result of misdiagnosis of very active children as being hyperactive. Women make up the majority of undiagnosed adhd cases, followed by primarily inattentive men. 

Sorry if this is kind of rambling. My main points are these:
1) recreational use of adhd stimulant meds by college kids makes it harder for their peers who have adhd to gain access to the services and treatment they need by creating a bias that people in this age group are frivelous drug seekers.
2. because it is very hard to get adhd legitimately if you do not have insurance (even if you have been diagnosed with adhd by more then one therapist or counselor) sometimes people who really need that medication have to turn to the black market.
3) frequent recreational users, particularly those who don&#039;t see some of the more negative side effects listed above, should seriously consider getting tested for adhd, or at least spend some time on the google machine looking into the research done on addiction and self-medication (esp. with amphetimines) by people with untreated adhd. Particularly look at studies of testing done on men in prison for meth.
4) Many people currently prescribed ADHD meds do not need them, and many do not have ADHD. Most people with inattentive type ADHD are not diagnosed. While the black market for stimulants is a good way for people in the first category to make money (and I won&#039;t deny this), it makes it more difficult for the second to recognize that they need treatment, and once they do decreases their ability to get treatment, both because of the stigma attached to seeking treatment because of the positive effects of illegal self-medication, and because both people who have ADHD and people who don&#039;t take adderall recreationally it normalizes the behavior, and suggests to those who legitimately need treatment that their struggles and responses are normal, and are the way everyone else is reacting to school, stress, and the stims.

One final point: if you fall into the category of people who have used stimulant meds recreationally and think that you might actually have a problem, please get tested. And if you are serious about wanting to get help then your best move would be to not tell whomever it is doing the assessment that you have used adderall etc. illegally. They will turn you away, and you will go on a blacklist. Also, best of luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have ADHD (combined type) and nothing makes me more angry then seeing people use adderall, and other stimulant adhd meds for recreational purposes. I first started looking into ADHD when I nearly flunked out of high school, but was told at the time that I was too old to get tested, and that you have to have corroboration of being hyper from elementary school teachers. I was a well behaved kid, and all my report cards noted my maturity and helpfulness. Sure I was a daydreamer to the point where it was difficult to follow conversations, and fidgeted (tapping my foot, clicking pens, tapping my fingers, hypergraphic doodling and notetaking, assemblign and disassembling pens and other desk nicknacks) but those were not taken into consideration. Basically I was told by Doctors that I was just drug seeking and needed to stop being such a lazy a-hole. Caffeine addiction and sleep deprivation scheduling are the only things that kept me passing in high school, particularly when moments of hyperfocus would strike. In college I was able to skate through for a while, but things began to fall apart. After getting into a really cool program of classes all related to my major, and failing the second section dispite spending all my time thinking about the class and things related to it (but unable to start the work, even if I spent the entire day sitting in front of it) I decided to get tested. </p>
<p>Because I was uninsured and am a poor student (whose parents are not in a position to help financially), finding a therapist to test me and a doctor who would work with me was virtually impossible. It took two months following my diagnosis to gain access to a doctor. The reason: I would call saying that I was being treated for ADHD by a psychologist, and that I had a letter from her suggesting I work with a doctor about this, and possibly another physical problem (thyroid, which also impacts focus, and was suspected due to my very cold hands and lack of sense of smell). I was usually turned away because they said that they didn&#8217;t want to work with someone my age about ADHD unless they had a note from an insurance co. testifying that they werent a drug dealer. </p>
<p>During that two month gap I did buy adderall on the black market, which at my school is pretty large. I bought it for a friend who had been taking it for studying on and off for years. This friend lives off of energy drinks, and adderall doesn&#8217;t make him hyper-focus or crazy, but just helps him study, keeps him calm, and prevents distraction. He&#8217;s watched the way I&#8217;m reacting now that I have medically supervised treatment (on lower cost, and IMO, more effective dexedrine SR) and is now seeking assessment himself. Research done by therapists who work with ADHD patients suggests that self-medicating with caffeine and illegal amphetamine use is common among those who are not diagnosed, and that the majority of people with ADHD have never been assessed or diagnosed, in part because they were not seen as disruptive or hyper as children. The zombie effect and other complaints that people, particularly kids, have about meds is possibly a result of misdiagnosis of very active children as being hyperactive. Women make up the majority of undiagnosed adhd cases, followed by primarily inattentive men. </p>
<p>Sorry if this is kind of rambling. My main points are these:<br />
1) recreational use of adhd stimulant meds by college kids makes it harder for their peers who have adhd to gain access to the services and treatment they need by creating a bias that people in this age group are frivelous drug seekers.<br />
2. because it is very hard to get adhd legitimately if you do not have insurance (even if you have been diagnosed with adhd by more then one therapist or counselor) sometimes people who really need that medication have to turn to the black market.<br />
3) frequent recreational users, particularly those who don&#8217;t see some of the more negative side effects listed above, should seriously consider getting tested for adhd, or at least spend some time on the google machine looking into the research done on addiction and self-medication (esp. with amphetimines) by people with untreated adhd. Particularly look at studies of testing done on men in prison for meth.<br />
4) Many people currently prescribed ADHD meds do not need them, and many do not have ADHD. Most people with inattentive type ADHD are not diagnosed. While the black market for stimulants is a good way for people in the first category to make money (and I won&#8217;t deny this), it makes it more difficult for the second to recognize that they need treatment, and once they do decreases their ability to get treatment, both because of the stigma attached to seeking treatment because of the positive effects of illegal self-medication, and because both people who have ADHD and people who don&#8217;t take adderall recreationally it normalizes the behavior, and suggests to those who legitimately need treatment that their struggles and responses are normal, and are the way everyone else is reacting to school, stress, and the stims.</p>
<p>One final point: if you fall into the category of people who have used stimulant meds recreationally and think that you might actually have a problem, please get tested. And if you are serious about wanting to get help then your best move would be to not tell whomever it is doing the assessment that you have used adderall etc. illegally. They will turn you away, and you will go on a blacklist. Also, best of luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just started taking Adderall xr  for 2 days now. I had to go through 3 different meds. genreic ritilan, Folcain and another one, but they all made me jittery like I drank to much coffee. Because of medical ins. I had to get the generic brands. So I heard great things (and bad) about Adderall , but I have taken 10mg  and I still feel jittery and hungery too ? I don&#039;t understand, this sucks. I do horrible on consintrating, fosucing, can&#039;t sit in class for a long time I get to figity, all the add stuff. It might be that I have to give it more time?( it&#039;s only been 2 days)but I thought it was supposed to work instandly. I just don&#039;t see all the hype about Adderall. To be honest, I was hopeing to lose weight with it because of all the weight lose people have been raving about! Do anybody else get like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started taking Adderall xr  for 2 days now. I had to go through 3 different meds. genreic ritilan, Folcain and another one, but they all made me jittery like I drank to much coffee. Because of medical ins. I had to get the generic brands. So I heard great things (and bad) about Adderall , but I have taken 10mg  and I still feel jittery and hungery too ? I don&#8217;t understand, this sucks. I do horrible on consintrating, fosucing, can&#8217;t sit in class for a long time I get to figity, all the add stuff. It might be that I have to give it more time?( it&#8217;s only been 2 days)but I thought it was supposed to work instandly. I just don&#8217;t see all the hype about Adderall. To be honest, I was hopeing to lose weight with it because of all the weight lose people have been raving about! Do anybody else get like this?</p>
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		<title>By: cantgetright</title>
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		<dc:creator>cantgetright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I feel sorry for you all who seem to love the adderall &quot;high&quot;.  I was a daily methamphetamine user for over 10 years.  I quit 2 years ago.  I have snorted, smoked, shot, drank, illegal uppers all my adult life just to get the will to live.  I am a &quot;manic depressant&quot;, bi-polar, or whatever.  I really needed a boost to get me going and just bear life.  When I had to quit meth due to legal reasons and insanity, literally meaning insanity, I lost the will to live again.  I turned into a reclusive hermit after 10 years of hard partying and never wanting to be home, I couldn&#039;t even bring myself to leave the couch.  My psychiatrist finally gave me ritalin.  I had O.K. results but it made me very cranky and also terrible headaches every morning.  I used it though and eventually got used to it, somewhat.  I wanted to get away from the headaches so I began taking adderall.  It is a much gentler drug on the body in my opinion.  I&#039;m not grouchy all day, I can arrange my thoughts, no more headaches.  So, what I&#039;m saying is, all of you &quot;hardcore adderall addicts&quot; are full of it.  Yes you could stay up cramming on it, but I don&#039;t see anybody turning into an adderall junkie.  I asked for ritalin from a doctor a decade ago, I wonder if I would have got it back then like I should have if I would&#039;ve turned into such a mess.  I seriously doubt it.  So you people who abuse the legal drugs that some people need and brag about it so it makes it harder to get;  you know what you can go do to yourself.  It aint the medicine that&#039;s the problem it&#039;s the user.  I mean your all like ya&#039;hoo I&#039;m cool.  Your just idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I feel sorry for you all who seem to love the adderall &#8220;high&#8221;.  I was a daily methamphetamine user for over 10 years.  I quit 2 years ago.  I have snorted, smoked, shot, drank, illegal uppers all my adult life just to get the will to live.  I am a &#8220;manic depressant&#8221;, bi-polar, or whatever.  I really needed a boost to get me going and just bear life.  When I had to quit meth due to legal reasons and insanity, literally meaning insanity, I lost the will to live again.  I turned into a reclusive hermit after 10 years of hard partying and never wanting to be home, I couldn&#8217;t even bring myself to leave the couch.  My psychiatrist finally gave me ritalin.  I had O.K. results but it made me very cranky and also terrible headaches every morning.  I used it though and eventually got used to it, somewhat.  I wanted to get away from the headaches so I began taking adderall.  It is a much gentler drug on the body in my opinion.  I&#8217;m not grouchy all day, I can arrange my thoughts, no more headaches.  So, what I&#8217;m saying is, all of you &#8220;hardcore adderall addicts&#8221; are full of it.  Yes you could stay up cramming on it, but I don&#8217;t see anybody turning into an adderall junkie.  I asked for ritalin from a doctor a decade ago, I wonder if I would have got it back then like I should have if I would&#8217;ve turned into such a mess.  I seriously doubt it.  So you people who abuse the legal drugs that some people need and brag about it so it makes it harder to get;  you know what you can go do to yourself.  It aint the medicine that&#8217;s the problem it&#8217;s the user.  I mean your all like ya&#8217;hoo I&#8217;m cool.  Your just idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adderall is a stimulant medication created specifically to treat ADHD, which is a real disorder that many people DO have. For those of you who say, &quot;Oh, anyone can learn if they work harder! Back in the old days...&quot; you need to do some research, because it is people like you who prevent others from getting psychological treatment when they need it. People who suffer from ADHD often work just as hard as anyone else. In fact, they can spend three times the amount of time and energy than someone without the disorder and still find it difficult to accomplish the same task. There is a chemical imbalance that hard work and good ol&#039; fashioned studyin&#039; won&#039;t fix. Some forms of therapy can be useful in helping childen find ways of dealing with their ADHD, but this doesn&#039;t eliminate the problem. For adults with the disorder, therapy is pretty ineffective because most people have already adapted to performing a certain way. Yes, people abuse adderall. Yes, it can be addictive if it is not taken exactly as prescribed. And admittedly, in can be fatal for some people-as is the case with ANY substance. But for the majority of people, even the amount needed to overdose is extreme, and more than even the most frequent abuser might take. There are NO proven damaging long term effects of adderall. And for those who talk about the restlessness and irritable associated with the adderall wearing off; maybe you should try a smaller dosage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adderall is a stimulant medication created specifically to treat ADHD, which is a real disorder that many people DO have. For those of you who say, &#8220;Oh, anyone can learn if they work harder! Back in the old days&#8230;&#8221; you need to do some research, because it is people like you who prevent others from getting psychological treatment when they need it. People who suffer from ADHD often work just as hard as anyone else. In fact, they can spend three times the amount of time and energy than someone without the disorder and still find it difficult to accomplish the same task. There is a chemical imbalance that hard work and good ol&#8217; fashioned studyin&#8217; won&#8217;t fix. Some forms of therapy can be useful in helping childen find ways of dealing with their ADHD, but this doesn&#8217;t eliminate the problem. For adults with the disorder, therapy is pretty ineffective because most people have already adapted to performing a certain way. Yes, people abuse adderall. Yes, it can be addictive if it is not taken exactly as prescribed. And admittedly, in can be fatal for some people-as is the case with ANY substance. But for the majority of people, even the amount needed to overdose is extreme, and more than even the most frequent abuser might take. There are NO proven damaging long term effects of adderall. And for those who talk about the restlessness and irritable associated with the adderall wearing off; maybe you should try a smaller dosage.</p>
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		<title>By: KyleB</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2004/12/28/adderall-abuse-with-students/comment-page-3/#comment-795522</link>
		<dc:creator>KyleB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Junior in highschool and I have barely started this whole adderall phase, have tried it once or twice before with scary results. My heart was pounding  and beating randomly. i said it was a bad idea and wouldnt do it again. I then took more of course 2 days ago. I have no tolerance and started off with 30 mg in the morning, left to smoke some weed, and then 30 mg more later in the afternoon. i was up all nite and couldnt wait for more. got ready early took 45 mg this time and brought 30 mg with me which i took a couple hours later. waited a little after gettin home and took 45 mg more . fun days.  its now 4 in the morning and i think im gonna miss my second day of sleep. my arms are bright red i guess from my blood pressure increase, and they have a throbbing feeling slightly. I&#039;ve been getting this wierd icy shivering feeling in my head, which just takes over my whole head if i rub or massage my head. i can still feel my heart pounding somewhat and my chest just kinda aches (not too bad). I have eaten but not as much as usual. ive had a shitty highschool cheeseburger the first day, and a single slice of pizza today. im having random muscles/nerves twitch. im not quite sure why i keep burping at least every once half hour when ive barely had any food. I&#039;ve actually forgot to breathe (very briefly). If im still getting some of the good high effects currently, im worried what the complete crash is going to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Junior in highschool and I have barely started this whole adderall phase, have tried it once or twice before with scary results. My heart was pounding  and beating randomly. i said it was a bad idea and wouldnt do it again. I then took more of course 2 days ago. I have no tolerance and started off with 30 mg in the morning, left to smoke some weed, and then 30 mg more later in the afternoon. i was up all nite and couldnt wait for more. got ready early took 45 mg this time and brought 30 mg with me which i took a couple hours later. waited a little after gettin home and took 45 mg more . fun days.  its now 4 in the morning and i think im gonna miss my second day of sleep. my arms are bright red i guess from my blood pressure increase, and they have a throbbing feeling slightly. I&#8217;ve been getting this wierd icy shivering feeling in my head, which just takes over my whole head if i rub or massage my head. i can still feel my heart pounding somewhat and my chest just kinda aches (not too bad). I have eaten but not as much as usual. ive had a shitty highschool cheeseburger the first day, and a single slice of pizza today. im having random muscles/nerves twitch. im not quite sure why i keep burping at least every once half hour when ive barely had any food. I&#8217;ve actually forgot to breathe (very briefly). If im still getting some of the good high effects currently, im worried what the complete crash is going to be.</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Ivy Leaguer (i.e. A Student of Columbia University)</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2004/12/28/adderall-abuse-with-students/comment-page-3/#comment-794632</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC Ivy Leaguer (i.e. A Student of Columbia University)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way: Yes, that ridiculously long discourse of sorts was written under the symbolic &quot;auspices&quot; of Adderall. That just proves that Adderall doesn&#039;t eliminate procrastination. It just makes it more focused, and sometimes, MORE time consuming... :-P Note that though I am a longtime user of the substance (by prescription, of course, though I don&#039;t neccesarily follow the daily dosage schedule, preferring to dose myself), I have used only 30mg in the last 7.5 hours, and the dose I currently on will last at least another 4. See the benefits of starting small? 12 hours of concentration cost a hypothetical $20 at the ridiculously inflated CU price, as opposed to a hypothetical $120 if I had started out with a higher dose and my plateau was now over 100mg/5-8 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way: Yes, that ridiculously long discourse of sorts was written under the symbolic &#8220;auspices&#8221; of Adderall. That just proves that Adderall doesn&#8217;t eliminate procrastination. It just makes it more focused, and sometimes, MORE time consuming&#8230; <img src='http://neurodudes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />  Note that though I am a longtime user of the substance (by prescription, of course, though I don&#8217;t neccesarily follow the daily dosage schedule, preferring to dose myself), I have used only 30mg in the last 7.5 hours, and the dose I currently on will last at least another 4. See the benefits of starting small? 12 hours of concentration cost a hypothetical $20 at the ridiculously inflated CU price, as opposed to a hypothetical $120 if I had started out with a higher dose and my plateau was now over 100mg/5-8 hours.</p>
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