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	<title>Comments on: I know what you&#8217;re attending to!</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2006/05/11/i-know-what-youre-attending-to/comment-page-1/#comment-3764</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 23:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprisingly nice paper, though I don&#039;t know about tears to my eyes, but figure 3 is pretty nice. However, it might be just my lack of understanding, but it seems to be a bit circular in it&#039;s argument. i.e. Cells that fire during a maze with a 45 degree exit, are 45 degree prefering cells, and look, wow, when you present a maze with a 45 degree exit, the 45 degree prefering cells fire. And then things fall a part a bit. In figure 4, the population vector, when looking a &quot;1 turn mazes&quot; should (at least in my mind) first be tuned to the path of the first segment of the maze, and then to the second. But they show data wherein the path is 0 degrees, then 90 degrees. However the population vector peaks for 0 degrees, then 45... but there is no power in the 90 degrees vector.

Now I know they&#039;re trying to say that the neurons they&#039;re recording are infact coding for the vector from the origin to the exit; but how can you know that? I mean, it just gets very complicated when you start ascribing purposes to behavioral-neural corelations (or cognitive-neural in this case).

I suppose the idea is like, if you recorded from some neurons and they spiked violently when you showed them a banana, that doesn&#039;t tell you if the cells are recognizing the yellow of the banana, the edge of the banana or responding to a hunger cue, however if you lesion the area you&#039;re in, and the monkeys still see bananas, and still eat them but can no longer tell yellow from blue, then you&#039;ve got your answer.

So someone needs to design a very clever cognitive/behavioral test to see what this cognition-neural correlation is actually coding for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprisingly nice paper, though I don&#8217;t know about tears to my eyes, but figure 3 is pretty nice. However, it might be just my lack of understanding, but it seems to be a bit circular in it&#8217;s argument. i.e. Cells that fire during a maze with a 45 degree exit, are 45 degree prefering cells, and look, wow, when you present a maze with a 45 degree exit, the 45 degree prefering cells fire. And then things fall a part a bit. In figure 4, the population vector, when looking a &#8220;1 turn mazes&#8221; should (at least in my mind) first be tuned to the path of the first segment of the maze, and then to the second. But they show data wherein the path is 0 degrees, then 90 degrees. However the population vector peaks for 0 degrees, then 45&#8230; but there is no power in the 90 degrees vector.</p>
<p>Now I know they&#8217;re trying to say that the neurons they&#8217;re recording are infact coding for the vector from the origin to the exit; but how can you know that? I mean, it just gets very complicated when you start ascribing purposes to behavioral-neural corelations (or cognitive-neural in this case).</p>
<p>I suppose the idea is like, if you recorded from some neurons and they spiked violently when you showed them a banana, that doesn&#8217;t tell you if the cells are recognizing the yellow of the banana, the edge of the banana or responding to a hunger cue, however if you lesion the area you&#8217;re in, and the monkeys still see bananas, and still eat them but can no longer tell yellow from blue, then you&#8217;ve got your answer.</p>
<p>So someone needs to design a very clever cognitive/behavioral test to see what this cognition-neural correlation is actually coding for.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Wayne</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2006/05/11/i-know-what-youre-attending-to/comment-page-1/#comment-2907</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 22:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree: what would be &quot;scary&quot; is if this could not be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree: what would be &#8220;scary&#8221; is if this could not be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Dright</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2006/05/11/i-know-what-youre-attending-to/comment-page-1/#comment-2655</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Dright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 02:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That IS scary. This sort of thing always gives me the creeps, no matter how intellectually cool it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That IS scary. This sort of thing always gives me the creeps, no matter how intellectually cool it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Neville</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2006/05/11/i-know-what-youre-attending-to/comment-page-1/#comment-2537</link>
		<dc:creator>Neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 05:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The review can be found on Faculty of 1000 Biology at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.f1000biology.com/article/16157282&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s a short review... I essentially put most of it in the post...

BTW, since Bayle and I are at institutions with site licenses, we often post articles that others without institutions willing to pay $$$ may not be able to access. I apologize for that and encourage readers who find accessible copies of the articles (eg. where the author has retained rights to put the article on his/her own website for free download) to post links in the comments section, so that others can benefit from their legwork!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The review can be found on Faculty of 1000 Biology at <a href="http://www.f1000biology.com/article/16157282" rel="nofollow">this link</a>. It&#8217;s a short review&#8230; I essentially put most of it in the post&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, since Bayle and I are at institutions with site licenses, we often post articles that others without institutions willing to pay $$$ may not be able to access. I apologize for that and encourage readers who find accessible copies of the articles (eg. where the author has retained rights to put the article on his/her own website for free download) to post links in the comments section, so that others can benefit from their legwork!</p>
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		<title>By: Arjun</title>
		<link>http://neurodudes.com/2006/05/11/i-know-what-youre-attending-to/comment-page-1/#comment-2533</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the review by Lisman published?
Thanks!</description>
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Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: todd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an actual PDF on Averbeck&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/baverbeck/pubs/mazedynamic.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;site&lt;/a&gt;. For those of us without site licenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an actual PDF on Averbeck&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/baverbeck/pubs/mazedynamic.pdf" rel="nofollow">site</a>. For those of us without site licenses.</p>
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